Talk:Components and Code examples

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Downloads link!?!?

It seems the Downloads page on the top left redirects to this page. Why doesn't it link to the same page the forum page points to - for Lazarus downloads as that is presumably what people want: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89339

Code EXAMPLES?!?!

There is no example code here. Perhaps links to code. IMO the page should be renamed to Third party components to reflect the fact that non-Lazarus supplied components are listed. Or just remove "examples" would already be an improvement. What do you think? --BigChimp 14:29, 21 June 2014 (CEST)

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I think that the title page "Code And Components" should be changed. The word Code is too ambiguos. I suggest "Packages and Componets for Lazarus"

The same think happens with the page "Lazarus Projects", since it is not clear if it is about project using Lazarus or projects for Lazarus, or perhaps both.

So I will suggest the following changes:

"Code And Components" -> "Packages and Components for Lazarus" "Lazarus Projects" -> "Projects using Lazarus"

In this way the items

  1.1 The Synapse Project
  1.18 Audio Component Suite
  1.19 GLScene

in the "Lazarus Projects" page should be moved in the "Code And Components" page.

"Code And Components" contains code and components that can be downloaded from the lazarus-ccr site. Vincent 13:33, 25 Oct 2005 (CEST)
I agree that the names are confusing. There is one more page that has a confusing name: "Current Projects", from the name you can guess many things (projects for lazarus, projects made on lazarus), but it is acctually about "Projects being converted to Lazarus", so it's name should be changed as it currently has a very similar name from Lazarus Projects with a very different content. I sujest it to be changed to "Projects being Converted" (to Lazarus) or "Projects under Convertion"
About the names I agree with your sugestions:

"Code And Components" -> "Packages and Components for Lazarus"

"Packages and Components for Lazarus" doesn't indicate that code examples are grouped on that page too. Vincent 13:33, 25 Oct 2005 (CEST)
Sorry .... but the original name was so confusing and there is only a single example on the page, so I completely failed to realise that code stand for "code examples". But knowing that there are many components and many packages on the page and only one example the new name seams better, althought "Code Examples" could somehow be added.
Perhaps a even better name would be "Packages, Components and Examples"?? --Sekelsenmat 01:47, 26 Oct 2005 (CEST)
I think packages and components describe the same thing. So "Components and Code examples" would be enough. (The paragraph titles must change too). Vincent 08:55, 26 Oct 2005 (CEST)
I am unsure about how usefull is an undocumented example. It becames acctually something cryptic ... why not explain how it works? Maybe the video example that we currently have could be documented, receive it's own page and link that page to the Developing with Graphics page? Similar for other examples that come.

--Sekelsenmat 02:46, 26 Oct 2005 (CEST)

I rather have an undocumented example than no example at all. But you a free to document it or ask the author to document it. I haven't heard from him on the mailing list, forums or #irc lately, so I guess he must be busy. Vincent 08:55, 26 Oct 2005 (CEST)

"Lazarus Projects" -> "Projects using Lazarus"

and I add one:

"Current Projects" -> "Projects being Converted to Lazarus"

It is not a project that is being converted, the conversion itself is a project. IMHO Lazarus conversion project (i.e. a project to convert all existing delphi components) or Components and libraries being converted" (to Lazarus) is beter. Vincent 13:33, 25 Oct 2005 (CEST)
So I think you should implement the name change.--Sekelsenmat 13:03, 25 Oct 2005 (CEST)
Who is "you"? Vincent 13:33, 25 Oct 2005 (CEST)
No, I am not talking alone ... "you" is Pepecito, who started the discussion but did not sign his name on what he wrote. But after I just decided to implement myself because I saw there was no response after 1 month the guy had wrote the initial part.
From what I read, I didn't conclude that immediate havoc was created to all pages, fortunately the translated pages were largely left only. As was said before (by whom?), comminucation is vital. Vincent 08:55, 26 Oct 2005 (CEST)
But what did you think about the changes? The names "Lazarus Projects" and "Current Projects" realy were terrible ... is the modification not welcome? You can revert it if so. --Sekelsenmat 01:21, 26 Oct 2005 (CEST)
I didn't think the name was too terrible and these current names are hardly an improvement (ok, I may be exegerating a bit). OTOH, Pepecito made suggestions, I had no time to comment on sensibly. You made similiar suggestions and made the changes almost immediately. For text changes it is no problem, they can be reverted easily. Name changes of pages may be harder to revert, because of the link name changes too. If we decide, after a short discussion, on better names (which I had hoped), there is still another page, see for example here the remnants of a move . By no means, I want to discourage you to improve this wiki, but for changes like this, I would like to have some discussion before. I don't think I will revert, but simple wait until we can make up some real good and descriptive page names. No sense to revert, to change a week later again to something else. Vincent 08:55, 26 Oct 2005 (CEST)
Ok, I understand your point of view. Name changes are not that time consuming. I took about 5 minutes to change the pages names and correct the links that were in portuguese or english. You can easily see what pages link to the one you are changing the name by clicking the "What links here" button. Then it is just a question of doing 5 to 10 very small changes on pages to change the name. It is really not that hard.
Said that I really think the new names are better. The reasons for this are on this talk page, so I won't repeat information. --Sekelsenmat 12:52, 27 Oct 2005 (CEST)

As Vincent wrote: "Name changes of pages may be harder to revert, because of the link name changes too." and this is why I suggested changes but didn't made them myself so soon. I also have always less time to dedicate to Lazarus. :-( BTW, about the discussion, I have added comments below.--pepecito 16:10, 27 Oct 2005 (CEST)



Let us continue discussion, so that we can come to a conclusion and the pages (and references) in all languages can be changed.

Projects using Lazarus

Projects using Lazarus is a clear name. The page can be organized into two parts: components for (or compatible with) lazarus and applications build with lazarus. A possible alternative is Applications and components using Lazarus.

I also created the Lazarus Application Gallery, where Applications with screenshots can be added. This is supposed to become a page where we can link to, when lazarus 1.0 is released. Some killer apps with nice screenshots would be nice. I have had no time yet, to put anything up there. The page idea was inspired by fpc's gallery.

All these possible names sound good to me. --pepecito 16:10, 27 Oct 2005 (CEST)

Projects being Converted to Lazarus

I don't like the name "Projects being Converted to Lazarus" much. Projects are not converted, components and application are converted and the process of conversion is made into a project. So I prefer Current conversion projects or On-going conversion projects.

Could we also take into account porting instead of conversion? --pepecito 16:10, 27 Oct 2005 (CEST)

Packages and Components for Lazarus

I think packages and components describe the same thing. The fact that on that page code examples are offered too, is missing in the title. So I prefer Components and Code examples.

I agree, "packages and components describe the same thing", Components seems to be more appropriate. About examples, I will separate them from components. If related to standard lazarus components being already present in the GUI, they should be refered as Lazarus examples, while examples related to other components that can be added to lazarus (like Indy) should be kept togheter with the component they refer to.--pepecito 16:10, 27 Oct 2005 (CEST)

For me "Projects using Lazarus" is better then the alternatives because it describes clearly the same thing in a shorter way. About the second I would choose Current conversion projects, it sounds better (more clear) then On-going for me. I don't think the name should include porting, as this is more related to different platforms then to different compilers. Ok, Components and Code examples is better. --Sekelsenmat 04:28, 28 Oct 2005 (CEST)

Conclusion

Sekelsenmat, please, can you make these changes, when you have time? After that I will update link to downloads the side bar. Vincent 10:13, 31 Oct 2005 (CET)

Ok, I will do it. --Sekelsenmat 01:08, 1 Nov 2005 (CET)
Ok, done. Should we remove or leave the redirect pages? --Sekelsenmat 21:19, 1 Nov 2005 (CET)