Difference between revisions of "User talk:Swen"

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:I am afraid, that I can't give you a satisfying reply. I can only say, that I don't like constructs like MenuTranslate. They are really irreproducible. A language bar on the other side is clear and easily reproducible (even for newcomers). --[[User:Swen|Swen]] ([[User talk:Swen|talk]]) 18:31, 14 November 2017 (CET)
:I am afraid, that I can't give you a satisfying reply. I can only say, that I don't like constructs like MenuTranslate. They are really irreproducible. A language bar on the other side is clear and easily reproducible (even for newcomers). --[[User:Swen|Swen]] ([[User talk:Swen|talk]]) 18:31, 14 November 2017 (CET)
:Hello Molly,
:Currently templates '''Translate''' and '''MenuTranslate''' almost mot used.
:Instead of them used '''LanguageBar'''. '''LanguageBar''' has some improvements, in particular right processing of names which have slashes outside of suffix.
:'''LanguageBar''' may be used right on page without additional template for group of pages.
:The main cause of usage separate tempates is using in them temlates '''Template:CategoriesBySuffixForPage''' and '''Template:CategoriesBySuffixForCategory'''.
:These templates assign categories for pages with different languages at single place.
:[[User:FTurtle|FTurtle]] ([[User talk:FTurtle|talk]]) 22:57, 15 November 2017 (CET)
==Revert of SQLDBTutorial1 changes by BillyRayBones==
==Revert of SQLDBTutorial1 changes by BillyRayBones==

Revision as of 22:57, 15 November 2017

Hello Swen,

you asked "Is 中文(简体)the official chinese translation of 'Chinese' (are the brackets necessary)?", The Answer is: 中文(简体) = Chinese Simplified. So, the brackets is necessary.

Thanks for your reply. Then we will use these characters. Regards --Swen 13:21, 1 December 2007 (CET)

Hi Swen,

Please remove the empty pages, I know I can move pages, but since described below, I choose to do it the other way, sorry to have caused you extra work. What now is Toa's Pascal Tutorial should grow into The Object Pascal Tutorial targeting FPC.



Hello Kees,
some mouse clicks are not really extra work. The pages are deleted. I think we should change now the link on Lazarus Documentation from Tao Yue to your start page (Object Pascal Introduction?). --Swen 22:52, 26 November 2007 (CET)

Hello Swen,

I received a USER TALK from you, but I'm not shure if this is the right way to talk back. Since you don't accept e-mail, I'll try it this way (could not find an other way!?).

I've been working wiki-fying Tao Yue's Pascal Tutorial. I more or less kept the original page names, but since they are displayed on top in capitals, I later changed to more logical page names. And after I finished started a renaming cycle for the first pages. Since I didn't want to loose any work, and also had to change the table of contents, and previous/next on these pages, I first made it all work with new pages, afterwards deleted (made empty) the old ones. That's what I tried to accomplish. What is the best way to delete a page? Please reply, so I know you received this message .



Dear Swen-san,

Thank you for telling me that I have mistakenly violated the structure rule. Because I do not know how to delete the wrong page, plese delete it if you can.


Haruyuki Fujimaki

Dear Fujimaki-san,
a wiki allows to move pages (that means, a page gets a new name). So a deletion is not necessary. If I see, that a page got a problematic name, I will correct this automatically. Don't hesitate to ask me if you have questions (or ideas).
Best regards,

category+ real

I deleted the page 'real' because the page contained only a redirect. I couldn't see any advantage of the new page. 
If you have an explanation please let me know. 
By the way, what do you want to do with the category 'pascal'?

I tried "real" and it gave me the edit new page thingy. As real now still seems to redirect to Real this may have been a temp glitch.

As to a the category 'pascal' it is more that I'm keen on categories in general as a way of helping users find what's available. There is quite a number of pages that are more about Pascal in general rather than fpc so that seemed a good place to start. Hence I see it as a not-specifically-Lazarus-or-fpc-cat. Dejvid 20:16, 9 March 2007 (CET)

Aha now I see. If you type in real you get redirected to Real but a link "real" will not redirect wihout a redirect page. Could you restore it please? Dejvid 20:19, 9 March 2007 (CET)

If I look on the pages, where you inserted the category keyword, I see that the category is shown in red (that means, that there is no content behind it). Thats why I asked, if you want to do something special with the category. From my point we don't need this category. This wiki is about Lazarus and Free Pascal. Pascal is always inside there.
Regarding the 'real' page it's maybe the better solution to move the whole page from 'Real' to 'real'. So we wouldn't need a redirect. I'm not sure what other users think about this. --Swen 23:27, 9 March 2007 (CET)

If you click on the category you will still get all the pages in the category. While it is true that this wiki is specifically about Lazarus and not Pascal in general, there are a number of pages that are not really fpc-Laz specific and need a cat. True, this not the most essential cat but I'm quite new to Lazarus so I don't have the confidence to decide on the most apropriate cats for those pages. Ultimately, IMO, every page should be in at least one cat.

As to making "real" the page, surely you will still need a redirect on the Real page? Dejvid 14:59, 10 March 2007 (CET)

I have moved the page to 'real' and I also updated the links to this page. --Swen 13:45, 11 March 2007 (CET)

Carbon Page

Hallo, ich habe eine kleine Änderung in der Carbon Seite gemacht. Könntest du die Deutsch Seite aktualisieren? Ich möchte sehen, wie die Übersetzung wäre. danke --Sekelsenmat 15:56, 28 June 2007 (CEST)

Ich habe die Änderungen auf Carbon Interface/de übertragen. Ich bin mir in einem Punkt aber nicht sicher 'able to run lazarus'. Das Carbon Widgetset ist doch ein Teil von Lazarus oder sehe ich das falsch? --Swen 17:18, 3 July 2007 (CEST)
Ja, the Carbon Interface gehört zu Lazarus. Bei "able to run lazarus", ich meine dass man eine Lazarus compiliert mit Carbon widgetset laufen kann. Ah, und a propos, normalerweise antwortet man in meine Talk page, damit ich eine Message über deine Antwort bekomme. Es ist ein bischen seltsam aber es funktioniert so. --Sekelsenmat 20:22, 3 July 2007 (CEST)
Ich habe die Übersetzung angepaßt. In anderen Wikis (z.B. [1]) ist es üblich, daß eine Diskussion dort fortgeführt wird, wo sie begonnen wurde. Wir können das hier aber auch anders handhaben. Ich sehe das nicht so eng. --Swen 22:36, 3 July 2007 (CEST)
Danke. Über die Talk-seiten, nein, in Wikipedia eine Diskussion in eine User-talkpage muss funktionieren wie ich habe gesagt. Es geht weiter in die gleich Seite nür wann es ist eine Artikel-talkpage und nicht eine User-talkpage. Oder am mindestens as funktioniert in deise weise in portuguesisch und englisch wikipedia. Vielleicht viele leute macht so falsch, aber die Admins und alter leute machen es richtig. --Sekelsenmat 14:14, 4 July 2007 (CEST)

hello, it's me again,

this time, i would like to copy a table from french version of wiki to english version, so i ask you for your agreement

the adress is http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?title=Code_Conversion_Guide/fr&action=edit&section=13

--paulatreides 02:32, 4 July 2007 (CEST)

If you mean this table Code Conversion Guide/fr#Fichier_Delphi_.2F_Kylix_.C3.A9quivalents_dans_Lazarus, I see no problems (don't forget to change french descriptions to english). --Swen 10:08, 4 July 2007 (CEST)


Hello Swen, I mistaken? on which page? Thank you to say to me so that I see my error :)


You changed the LCL Defines page. I copied your changes to LCL Defines/fr and restored the english page. --Swen 11:00, 9 July 2007 (CEST)


Could you explain me quickly the difference beetwen USER and USERTALK, can i use indistinctly the two to speak to someone ?

thank you

--paulatreides 00:36, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

The USER page is usually reserved for the user to give information about his person, his projects or whatever he wants to tell. On the USERTALK page other users can ask questions or give hints or ... . -- Swen 11:00, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

you are right but.... If you create for example a new projet(nothing more) if you type, CTRL+R, the windows will appear, but if you type CTRL+F it will not ! But if you put the cursor on the source éditor and then type CTRL+F, the find windows will appear as expected.

--paulatreides 16:15, 20 July 2007 (CEST)

Hello Swen, Thank you for your attention, please remind me if I make any mistake relating to Wiki. Vincent just add Indonesian (Bahasa Indonesia) as I asked. Currently I am a translator for FPC and Lazarus (Indonesian). Now I want to participate in the Wiki. Best Regards, adezm

Language Menu to translate page

I see your work on some page, I think you tray this Template:Translate or this Template:MenuTranslate

--Xno 09:50, 11 May 2009 (CEST)

Hello Swen,

Do you happen to know why instead of using the MenuTranslate template, it was chosen to add a language template for each individual page ?

I've noticed your reaction on userpage Vincent that you seem worried about red links. Afaik links for untranslated pages should not be visible. See also http://wiki.freepascal.org/Variable_parameter for an example. Also MediaWiki help-pages mentions the 'hidden' red links.

Due to my ignorance with regards to MediaWiki i assume that i'm missing some caveat and seem unable to figure out what that caveat might be. Currently it seems a bit redundant to me that each individual page requires a separate template defining the languages.

I am aware that the wiki help:Add Language bar on this subject mentions that there is still a bug in the menu-translate template but that was mentioned ages ago.

In case i've directed this question to the wrong person then please feel free to redirect me. I did not know who to address and you happened to be the most recent active admin.

--Molly (talk) 09:10, 29 August 2017 (CEST)

Hello Molly,
I am afraid, that I can't give you a satisfying reply. I can only say, that I don't like constructs like MenuTranslate. They are really irreproducible. A language bar on the other side is clear and easily reproducible (even for newcomers). --Swen (talk) 18:31, 14 November 2017 (CET)

Hello Molly,
Currently templates Translate and MenuTranslate almost mot used.
Instead of them used LanguageBar. LanguageBar has some improvements, in particular right processing of names which have slashes outside of suffix.
LanguageBar may be used right on page without additional template for group of pages.
The main cause of usage separate tempates is using in them temlates Template:CategoriesBySuffixForPage and Template:CategoriesBySuffixForCategory.
These templates assign categories for pages with different languages at single place.
FTurtle (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2017 (CET)

Revert of SQLDBTutorial1 changes by BillyRayBones

Hi Swen,

I noticed you reverted BillyRayBones' changes of SQLdb Tutorial1/de. I think he started to translate my recent additions/modifications of the English version.

Don't know what your reasons for that are: would you like to keep the German version as-is, do you dislike the English version, something else? If there's something you would like to see different, please let me know & we can talk.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

--BigChimp 12:42, 4 September 2011 (CEST)

Hello BigChimp, I wrote the tutorial, because I wanted to share some information. The tutorial should describe a single topic. I also wanted to write some other tutorials (therefore the '1' in the page name), but I hadn't the time yet. It was never the idea, to write a complete guide on this page. (Feel free to write a guide if you want to do that.) The english version of this page is not so important for me. That's why I didn't revert your changes there. Regards, --Swen 14:45, 4 September 2011 (CEST)
Ok, Swen. Guess I'm a bit more adventurous in extending the tutorial past the basic example ;) But no problem - the German version is not that important to me. (However, I wonder what happens when other people start to extend the German version based on the English one. I wouldn't mind to rename the English version and indicate that it was based on the German version, but extended, and that you wanted to keep the German version as-is). Thanks for the explanation, --BigChimp 14:57, 4 September 2011 (CEST)

Request to delete some pages

Hi Swen,

Can you remove the following pages:

They seem to serve no purpose (empty, outdated etc).

Bart 2012-12-28

Hello Bart, I deleted 3 pages. One page is still connected with other pages and the remaining page is under supervision by Florian. Regards, --Swen 23:41, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Another request for delete: User:UNKNOWNPLAY4: inproper use of wiki.

I don't think, that we need to delete the page. If you consider the wrong link to the mailing list (corrected in the meantime) I wouldn't call it an improper use. Regards --Swen 22:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Swen,

Can you remove Windows_7, it's empty (it's content was obsolete). Bart 2014-02-12

Hallo und Frage zu Du/Sie

Hallo Swen,
ich habe gerade mit der Übersetzung einer Wiki-Hilfeseite begonnen, bei der ich die Leser mit Du ansprechen wollte. Ich persönlich finde das Duzen in Wikis gut, aber es erschien mir auch deshalb passend, weil sich Kinder und Jugendliche so stärker angesprochen fühlen (ich nehme an, dass dieses Wiki viele junge Leser hat). Dann erst sah ich die Sie-Form auf der Hauptseite. Gibt hier bereits Festlegungen, wie siehst du das?
Beste Grüße --Wolf 11:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Hallo Wolf, willkommen in unserem Wiki. Eine Statistik über unsere Leser liegt mir leider nicht vor. Bei den Mitwirkenden dürften die etwas älteren Semester überwiegen. Unabhängig davon ist aus meiner Sicht die Verwendung des Sie im Text einfach seriöser. Beim Kontakt untereinander ist dann aber das du üblich. Nicht vergessen sollte man auch, daß einige Seiten aus dem Wiki in die Online-Hilfe von Lazarus eingebunden sind. Wenn du noch weitere Fragen hast, dann melde dich. Gruß --Swen 16:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Danke für die prompte Antwort. Also werde ich mich an das Sie halten. Ich hätte gern ein paar verborgene Kategorien z.B. zum Sammeln von ins Deutsche übersetzten Seiten. Soll ich einfach anlegen, was ich brauche? Grüße --Wolf 08:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Wenn du Bedarf für eine weitere Kategorie siehst, dann lege sie an. Gruß --Swen 17:02, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


Schade, dass Du die redirect-Seite widgetset gelöscht hast. Dadurch musste ich jetzt die Links in den Seiten, die auf widgetsets verlinken, rekonstruieren. Eigentlich ist die move-Funktion in MediaWiki ja extra dafür da, dass man das nicht tun muss, indem sie automatisch eine redirect-Seite anlegt.--Jwdietrich 22:24, 4 September 2013 (CEST)

Hallo Jwdietrich, warum hast du dann die Seite verschoben? Es kommt öfters mal vor, daß nach einer Neuanlage eine Seite verschoben wird, da die urprüngliche Schreibweise als nicht mehr passend angesehen wird (z.B. wegen eines Tippfehlers). In einem solchen Fall lösche ich die Weiterleitung damit sichergestellt ist, daß nur noch die neue Seite verwendet wird (und zur besseren Übersicht). Die einzig wirklich sinnvollen Weiterleitungen sind aus meiner Sicht diejenigen, die aufgrund von Defiziten bei der Lokalisierung der Mediawiki-Software erforderlich sind (z.B. von Hauptseite auf Main page/de). Gruß --Swen 23:23, 4 September 2013 (CEST)


Hallo Swen, mir ist aufgefallen, dass die robots.txt-Datei alle Spider sperrt (da das Skript /index.php alle Inhalte vermittelt). Dadurch können die vielen wertvollen Informationen im Wiki nicht gefunden werden und sie tauchen auch in archive.org nicht auf. Mir ist schon klar, dass das Motiv darin begründet ist, dass manche Suchmaschinen durch zu schnelles Crawlen die Wiki-Engine überlasten. Könnte man vielleicht eine etwas differenzierte Form der robots.txt, z. B. wie http://de.wikipedia.org/robots.txt schaffen? Danke, Johannes --Jwdietrich 21:29, 9 March 2014 (CET)

Hallo Johannes, für solche technischen Fragen müßtest du dich an Vincent wenden, da nur er Änderungen vornehmen kann. Ich habe keinen Zugriff auf die Einstellungen. Gruß --Swen 19:50, 15 March 2014 (CET)

About categories

Hello Swen,

I answered you here: User_talk:FTurtle

FTurtle 21:16, 26 July 2015 (CEST)

Possibility to hide revision logs

Hi Swen,

I have enabled the permission for sysops to hide individual revision logs, which includes deletion logs. This makes it possible to suppress log entries for pages where the spam/scam is in the page title, such as all the fake tech support pages that were created recently.

To use it: go to the deleted page from the recent changes page, and then click on "change visibility" at the front of the revision log entry that's shown (you can't do it directly from the recent changes page). In the next screen, select "Hide target and parameters" and apply.

Update: if you go to http://wiki.freepascal.org/Special:Log/delete , you can change the visibility of multiple deletion logs at the same time.

Jonas (talk) 12:24, 22 February 2016 (CET)